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Five Wise Women by raizy Five Wise Women by raizy
The first panel is based on the instruction manual for The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. Great game!

For the record, I don't give a rat's behind about the timeline of the Zelda series, official or not. It's more enjoyable that way.

This is actually commission that I did because I liked the guy's (Seth Marati's) idea. Hee hee.

The Legend of Zelda (c) Nintendo
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crypto456 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
HAHAHA
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LightsolPhoenix Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2013
LOL, pretty funny.  Although I actually have the Hyrule Historia and the Seven Wise Men mentioned in LttP are not the Seven Sages from OoT, despite what people seem to think.  HH mentions that the Imprisoning War takes place a few generations after the Sages are forced to lock Ganon away to prevent him from ravaging Hyrule.  Supposedly, though, the Seven Wise Men were descended from the original Seven Sages.

Although, to be honest, I still argue that LttP and the NES Zeldas don't fit in the timeline of Zelda very well at all.  Probably because (at least in my opinion, and strongly hinted at in HH), the idea of an overarching history was not Shigeru Miyamoto's to begin with (Miyamoto always said gameplay came first), but rather came into the picture with Eiji Aonuma, who's worked with Miyamoto on every Zelda game since OoT (which is also where the overarching storyline concept began in a series that never really paid much attention to it before).
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vladnorris Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
What's more, the idea they survived to defeat Ganon and did breed contradicts the canon in more than one way.
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Linkzilla Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2013
That's a perfect point though. Cause I was positive that Ocarina was the events the manual was talking about...But THEN we find out that a THIRD Timeline comes out, where the whole thing happens again! It's just...Stupid!
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MrNintMan Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
LOL!!!
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LoreMaster01 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Yeah, I prefer to just enjoy the games (I love every LoZ game I've ever played).
What, Darunia and Rauru don't count as wise?
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LunaDude1996 Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
I'm glad to find those who don't believe the zelda timeline to be honest. I actually wanted to find those people since some fans do believe in the timeline. :shrug:
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Fierce-Dities-Link Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
Link: Yeah, even though my ancestor went through that himself, I still have to call Bullshit on that.
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ManaNinja Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
As funny as this is, I feel I must point out that Link to the Past came out before Ocarina of Time... Still though, it is awfully funny :P
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KeroberosCelestia Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2012  Hobbyist
Yeah, I didn't care much about the official timeline either. The most I cared about the timeline shtuff was the direct sequels, such as Ocarina of Time to Majora's Mask, or Windwaker to Phantom Hourglass to Spirit Tracks, which were known before the "official timeline".
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Linkzilla Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2012
I mean...the so called 'Official' timeline has done nothing but fuck up the entire series. It makes it less enjoyable, because all I can think about is how much id doesn't work. All it does is overcomplicate something simple.

This being a key factor - why suddenly establish seven NEW sages do the Imprisoning of Ganon in an unspecified time between OoT and LttP, when the Seven Sages of OoT did that. How can they base a tangent on the game that doesn't even happen?! I mean...the Hero of Time Fails?! THAT right there is bullshit.

Eh, but like you said, you don't give a damn about it all. Means you hate it, or means you don't care about. I wish more people had your views.
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SuperNormalMan Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2012
"Five Wise Women and Two Wise Men" doesn't sound very good. That's why they said "seven wise men".
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SternSchwarz Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Now that is funny :3
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CoreyAMurray Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012
Luckily, the Japanese word kenja was translated as "sage" in subsequent games.
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Masaki1812 Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2012
It could just be Hylian translation issue that's all. Sages being misinterpreted as Wise Men. And now with Hylia Historia out with a it's official branching timeline...
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MorganaTwist Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I hope you are joking. lol as in mocking {{"Bible mistranslations" as the reason for why there are so many contradictions in it.}}

I agree with raizy. Official timeline or no it makes no sense whatsoever to even have a timeline since some of the games are so far out different from eachother including their histories, characters, and the way link keeps changing his identity in nearly every game and keeps on being reinvented as they throw in new characters.

For example.. if there is a timeline then how is Link never recognized by all the main characters he keeps having to meet all over again? Namely princess Zelda. they have had introductions to each other over and over again and yet she cannot recognize her hero of Hyrule when she meets him? Plus she is never the same either. I am sorry but either there are more than one links as well as more than one princess or there are only one of each that keep being reinvented for the sake of the games. Pick one but you cannot have both your cake and eat it too. Nintendo doesn't even know what the timeline is. they just threw it out there to the begging obsessed fans as conjecture and theory. And if they cannot even get their stories straight than neither can the obsessive timeline believing fans. :P
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xployalist Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012
Pretty darn funny. Technically, you could use "men" to refer to a group of mixed gender, as long as there's at least one man. Still, the set-up is classic.
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MorganaTwist Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
men means men. woMEN means women. You cannot have a group of all girls with one man then refer to them as a group of men. It would be more correct to refer them as a group of people. Or just a gaggle of MANkind which means men and women. ;3

This is where Nintendo screwed up plain and simple yet obsessive timeline fans do not want to admit it when the evidence is overwhelming and staring them right in the face. The LOZ ALTTP history is OBVIOUSLY different from the LOZ OOT history. Then Nintendo went and made MM which totally skewered everyone's knowledge of the Hylian world and characters in it. MM was good and I loved playing it but man it just cannot be worked into a timeline of any sort for the LOZ series. It is truly it's OWN game even if the characters in it resemble the characters in OOT they are not and are not even close to being related to the OOT characters.
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xployalist Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2012
Whoops, got my English and Spanish rules mixed up, and English is my first language XP! In any Romance language that would be true, and God only knows how Hylian works. We could debate gender and its role in language all day.

The whole timeline rant was kind of out of left field, considering I didn't even comment about it. Majora's Mask is very different from all other Zelda games, and has barely been referenced, if at all, in any other Zelda game. Majora's Mask isn't even referenced in its successor in the timeline, Twilight Princess. The game EXPLICITLY takes place in an alternate dimension, as is stated by the game's manual! Remember how the overworld was called "Termina Field", unlike its predecessor? As such, it doesn't even touch Hyrule proper. Majora's Mask didn't mess up Hyrule, it was Wind Waker, which flooded Hyrule, and made A Link to the Past rather confusing. The characters are their own characters, and the whole alternate dimension thing was mainly an excuse to reuse character models so as to speed up production time. Ever notice that the guy who looks like Ingo in Majora's Mask is called Gorman (and Gorman and Gorman)? Or how Malon's adult and child bodies are simultaneously coexisting as sisters named Cremia and Romani (respectively)? There are exactly three characters from Hyrule in Majora's Mask: Link, the Happy Mask Salesman, and the Skull Kid (implied at the end of the game as the one you taught Saria's song in a sidequest in OoT).

Sorry if I came off as having a bad attitude, I just was drinking too much orange soda and I see a comment with a long rant about my favorite Zelda game.
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MorganaTwist Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
no you didnt do anything wrong. I meant no harm lol I was just commenting to comment. Thats cool that you speak Spanish. I do too. Learned the basics in high school and loved the language very much.
True... it could all be different according to how Hyrule and Hylian works.

There are a few characters in MM that werent in OOT or ALTTP actually. I believe Kafe, Tingle, The deku king and princess, the little girl and her father in Ikana Valley. And many more. But yes a lot of them were used from OOT out of what I would call creative laziness.
LOL I love that they gave them a new background story and names but still I feel they could have used all new cast of characters but oh well.

I just choose not to go by a timeline whether official or fan made delusional because I feel it takes away from the game. Link to me is more like an avatar that comes in when he is needed in whatever form in whatever place and time. To me they are all new games but some with recycled characters because they are familiar to the long time players and serve good purpose. ;3

Dont worry Im not mad at ya. Just commenting to comment as I said. hehe
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xployalist Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2012
Personally, how I view it is that the Legend of Zelda is just that: a group of legends, nebulously tied to each other and corrupted through oral tradition. If a game isn't a direct sequel, don't sweat about how it ties to other games.
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MorganaTwist Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
couldnt have said it better myself. 100% agree ;3
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xployalist Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012
Interestingly enough, "Seven Wise Men" actually was a mistranslation, but from Japanese to English. The Japanese term translates not from "wise men", but to "sages". This was fixed in the GBA port.
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MorganaTwist Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
well i will investigate that but until i see a document from Nintendo itself and the Japanese creators of the stories or the english translators showing proof of this I will not believe it. Heresay is too rampant on the internet. A lot of people think something is true and undeniable simply because it is passed around on the internet. Show me the proof of this in black and white from the creators stating it and I will believe it. But until then they were "wise men" not "sages" even though the term sages has been mentioned in later games.
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xployalist Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2012
I always figured that all the games were vaguely related to each other in a Broad Strokes fashion, while direct sequels are closer in continuity. The real question is: are the two spots on Ruto's head also eyeballs?
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raizy Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012
I think they are, which is kinda freaky. Especially since she's like, the only female Zora?
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Raviskool Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I never noticed it before. 5/7 Sages are basically women. This game is really incorporating women in video games. The 3 godesses, The Name of the Game, Many of the songs he learns from females (Mileage may vary with Sheik), Dessert Godess....wow talk about girl power. This is areally funny pick. Remind me of the metroid mstake.
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MorganaTwist Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well the goddesses were always female though. The Goddesses of creation in Hyrule legend roughly began in A Link To The Past and there they were referred to as Goddesses. If they were men they would have been called Gods. ;3

But yeah I see your point. There was a lot of feminine action in OOT. lol
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Raviskool Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012  Student Digital Artist
yeah thats what i meant, lots of feminine action.
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MorganaTwist Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
oh ok hehe yeah
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Raviskool Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2012  Student Digital Artist
:)
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Arceusgamer14 Featured By Owner May 13, 2012
LOL especially when there's only TWO Men in the Seven Sages Family
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WootMannen Featured By Owner May 3, 2012
Who cares about official timelines when you can do funny stuff like this? Not I, for one.
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megaminator Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012
I read something somewhere about the "seven wise men" being a wrong translation and it actually translates into "seven sages".
But yeah, the english version says wise men and your comic is funny. Congrats.
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MorganaTwist Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
doesnt matter. Translation has nothing to do with it. If you play the game ALTTP and watch the intro when it talks about the sages you will see old elderly men in brown robes sealing up Ganon after the Bloody Hyrule war. They were always men in ALTTP history. OOT changed all that for some unknown reason of Nintendo's ideas.
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Spelarminlind Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012
One of the funniest Zelda comics I have seen (and I have read plenty). Thank you for the laugh.
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BanditRingtail3 Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2012
Eh, the Zelda timeline is kinda messed up anyhow. Supposedly, there was even a timeline split due to Ocarina of Time, so Twilight Princess and Wind Waker are supposed to be in different canons.

Which is what happens when you start making games on later systems that are essentially prequels to the earlier games. Frankly, I don't really care either. At least the games are fun.
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MorganaTwist Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
indeed! I just love playing the games but I wont get wrapped up in a timeline theory that cannot exist soundly or be proven. :P *cheers*
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Gatt-chan Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2012  Student General Artist
bullshit indeed, my dears!
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Keystar01 Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2012
Well, AlttP comes BEFORE Ocarina of Time (in real World terms).
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mukiro Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012
I thought Impa was a guy for the longest time. XD
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IandaM98 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012  Student General Artist
Yeah... that's a little odd.
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Allanpike Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
XDDDDDDDDDDDD
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AuraSight18 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2012
This is great! It made me laugh. I can see them freaking out about that though :) Very well done
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laicka03 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
well there is Raru and Darunia, I guess that for grammar things is men instead of women, but they could had just said "the seven wise sages" would had fit more properly...
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I don't get why most of the sages were female, either, especially after they used "seven wise men" in the game just before. I don't know the exact wording they used in Japanese, but still, you'd think that if it were directly translatable as "sage" they'd've done that...

Though, of course, it didn't stop them from having a Tin Tower for ten years in Johto...
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UmbraeCalamitas Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2012  Professional Writer
:D Nicely done. That was a good idea.
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FuzzyRedPants Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:rofl: Good point!
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Avanious Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Hehe! I like this. To those who dwell so religiously on the "Zelda timeline", this shows that when the creator was writing Zelda games years later, I don't think he dwelled much back into everything he wrote in past games. He was more into just making these games and not pressuring on every little detail. So there's gonna be inconsistencies. I don't think he ever expected the Zelda games to reach up to what they are now and when he was doing the story for a new Zelda game, he might not have originally liked what he originally planned in a small detail or it just didn't work out in his latest idea on the game he was developing.
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Subtershea Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I never played Zelda games, no because I didn't want to, but because I was just never got around to it.
Anyway, what is the joke here? I'm getting the impression from the comments that it was not, in fact, seven wise men?
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